
The Police Stop
Season 3 Episode 302 | 28m 20sVideo has Closed Captions
Black residents of Amarillo discuss police interactions.
Black residents of Amarillo discuss police interactions and being "prejudged often" by the color of their skin.
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The Police Stop
Season 3 Episode 302 | 28m 20sVideo has Closed Captions
Black residents of Amarillo discuss police interactions and being "prejudged often" by the color of their skin.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship(soft music) - A season of protest in 2020, turned up the volume on the nation's dialogue about race and racism.
It's a talk we've begun and dropped for decades.
(soft relaxing music) - If you're an American, if you love your country you have to talk about it.
- It's time, the conversation starts with listening.
(soft music) - Microaggressions, sort of the every day slights and dignities, insults and put downs that people of color experience in their day-to-day interactions with well-intentioned individuals who are unaware that they are engaging in a demeaning or offensive way towards individuals of color microaggressions are really reflections of implicit bias, the racial bias that is outside the level of conscious awareness so that the person who I s making a microaggression or behaving in such a way is oftentimes unaware that that is occurring in their interactions with others.
Whenever I finish giving a presentation in front of a large audience, it's not unusual for people to come up to me and say, "Professor Sue, you speak excellent English."
The way I respond generally is thank you, I hope so, I was born here.
Now, here is the dilemma of a microaggression.
The perpetrator thinks that they're complimenting you but the hidden or meta communication, that is being received by me is that I'm a perpetual alien in my own country, I am not a true American.
And that's why I respond that way.
- When I am, I overhear or I am told in a conversation, after I deliver a presentation or a speech or a participant in a forum.
And then the word is always, you are so articulate.
You are, he is so articulate or she is so articulate.
That is the phrase that really saddened me more than anything else.
- Is it kind of because of the words for a Black person are in parentheses at the end of that?
- Without a doubt, without a doubt.
- Microaggressions can occur nonverbally.
African-Americans tell me that when they enter an elevator and there is a white passenger, man or a woman, that the moment they enter the elevator, there'll be this tensing up.
- I have gotten on elevators in downtown Amarillo in a suit and tie, and little ol' white ladies clutch their purse about to pass out.
- She pulled over to the corner and grabbed her purse like this.
I think that says it all.
I didn't want anything she had in her purse.
I wasn't gonna grab her, or her purse, but that's what it means by leaving while Black.
- Because in her mind, no matter what I did how I dressed and how I spoke, I am still that Black thug.
- All I know is that, you know, ever since I can remember it's not a shock to me to walk beside a car, you know, just entering a grocery store or a retail store and have someone immediately, you know you hear the click of the locks so the windows roll up as if I'm going to try to reach in or grab the door handle.
- If you ride the subways, if you want to find an empty seat, look for where a Black passenger is seated, it's always nearly empty.
- You sitting in a seat on an airplane and the seat next to you is open, they will look at it and walk pass you.
That still happens to this day.
You know, and they'll sit in the seat behind, next to somebody that's of the same race.
- That's a nonverbal communication that white people are fearful whether they are conscious of it or not.
- So I've never stolen anything, I've been a very quiet shy kid, but the amount of times I've been followed in stores just in Amarillo alone kind of speaks on that.
You're just treated a little differently.
- When I walk in the store they don't ask me if I need help, but they ask the woman that walks in right after me, if she can, you know, if she needs anything.
I could buy anything in the store, but instead of helping me find something to buy you're worried that I'm gonna steal something.
- And I was on a trip with the Tascosa choir, a choir and we're traveling on a trip but it was end of the school year.
I went Banana Republic.
And I don't have a criminal record, never been to jail, never been to juvenile detention, never had any trouble with law enforcement or anything, never been in any kind of trouble of that manner, and at that moment, I got followed around by a Caucasian lady because I guess the way I looked and suspicious that I may steal.
Once again that feeling, I've had other moments, but that feeling at that moment was crushing for me.
- Microaggressions are constant and continual.
They occur to people of color from the moment they are born, until they die, from the moment they awaken in the morning until they go to sleep.
They are cumulative, they're constant reminders of a person's second class status in this society and they are symbolic of past historic injustices, for example, the enslavement of African-Americans, the taking away of land from the indigenous people of this country, the incarceration of 110,000 Japanese Americans, citizens, two-thirds citizens by virtue of birth.
And so these are all things in the mindset, of people of color and a person who doesn't see the overall context of the racialized experiences of people of color really don't understand the experiential reality that people of color deal with constantly.
A microaggression has macro impact, when George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin, he was operating from a microaggression that as a Black youngster, that they were up to no good, and he profiled them.
Well, that's a microaggression but what was the outcome?
The death of Trayvon Martin.
(soft music) - More likely, studies have shown Black residents in the United States are more likely to be stopped by police than whites.
They are more likely to have force used upon them by police and they are more likely to be shot by police than whites.
Let's break down the national statistics.
Data journalists and researchers at the Stanford Open Policing Project have been collecting information about traffic stops since 2015, here are their findings.
Police officers stop more than 20 million drivers in the US each year.
An early project report included nearly 100 million traffic stops made from 2015 to 2018.
Researchers with the project found that Black drivers are 20% more likely to get pulled over than white drivers.
- We also ran a really interesting test called the Veil of Darkness test, which basically looks at sunset, and stops before sunset and after sunset in the same locations.
and at the same time of day because we can do that given daylight savings time so that we can control for any kind of changes in traffic patterns and things like that.
And what we found was that the stops, just the stops of Black drivers dropped after sunset, on average.
Basically those stops were we believe occurring because an officer could, you know like the officer could see the race of the driver and then couldn't see the race of the driver and the stocks dropped.
- In addition, the Stanford Open Policing Project determined that Black and Hispanic drivers were often searched on the basis of less evidence than whites.
- We built a new statistical measure called the threshold test that allowed us to take a look at the kind of the bar that an officer has for deciding to search, and whether or not something was found, whether contraband was found.
And what we found was that basically officers across the board, across the US on average search minorities, more easily than they would search a white driver.
- Most police interactions with civilians come to a routine end.
But in 2016, the center for policing equity released a study showing that police used force at a rate of 273 times out of every 100,000 incidents involving Black Americans.
The rate was 76 per 100,000 for white Americans.
The collection of data regarding fatal police encounters has been largely left to researchers.
One of those researchers is Dr. Michael A. Robinson an associate professor at the University of Georgia.
Robinson co-edited the 2018 book Police and the Unarmed Black Male Crisis.
- And what we found was that this has always been going on.
It's just that before cellphones, no one saw this if it wasn't in the newspaper no one saw it.
We even found that there was no national database, that tracked killing of unarmed - of people by police at all, that maybe 3% of the nation's 15,000 police departments reported it.
There's no federal mandate to report these killings.
So if you didn't read it in a paper, hear it on the news, technically didn't happen if no one knew about it - A presidential task force in 2015 recommended more tracking of fatal encounters.
But the FBI has only recently begun its database.
So, like other researchers, Robinson turned to varying sources for his study of police killings of unarmed people.
- The reason we only looked at unarmed is because those are the ones we thought were unjust.
There are two publications that began tracking the data roughly five or six years ago, The Washington Post and also The Guardian newspaper, which is the oldest European newspaper.
They scoured newspapers from publications all over the country, they get transcripts from radio stations and they listened for killings of police, then they have to verify those killings.
I conducted a study in 2017, where I examined the killing of unarmed Black men from January to December of 2015.
I found that unarmed Black men were killed at a rate of close to five times that of white men and three times that of Latinx men.
People will argue that, well more white men were killed by police.
Well that is true, but if you look at per capita killings per 100,000 you'll see that Black men were killed at a rate of five times that of white men.
- Black Americans make up less than 13% of the US population.
The Washington Post's longer study of all fatal police encounters, finds black Americans are fatally shot by police at more than twice the rate of white Americans.
That study started in 2015 and the post closed it in January, 2020.
- As a single mother, I am the mother of a Black man, a Black child.
He's 12, and the things that I have to have conversations with him about, you know you can't wear a black hoodie.
You know, if something happens and you get pulled over by the police you don't reach for your registration, you make sure that your hands are up so that they don't think that you're trying to do something.
And above all you have to comply with what they say, it's yes sir, no ma'am, yes ma'am, because if you don't treat them in that way if you give them any inkling that you are resisting, that could turn for the worst, and that's something that we don't we don't wanna have to experience that.
- I think right now, what people don't realize is that we've had ongoing dialogue with members of the Amarillo Police Department.
We've established a great unique relationship with Chief Martin Birkenfeld whom I think is doing a very impeccable job in his leadership role.
- The city of Amarillo named Birkenfeld to succeed former Chief Ed Drain, who left the department at the beginning of 2020.
Birkenfeld assumed the role in May - Things that were established prior to him, assuming the office of chief are still in existence because he wholeheartedly believes in those things whether it's neighborhood police officers, community policing, but he went a step farther and actually implemented implicit bias training.
- Well, implicit bias, we all have it.
And so implicit bias has a lot of definitions but a basic definition is it's an attitude or a thinking process that can manifest itself in behavior but it's a - something that's in your mind from the time you're born and you start learning.
So an implicit bias, you may not be aware of, in fact most of the time you're not.
And another word for it is a flinch.
What makes you flinch?
A poker player's always looking for tails, but you sometimes see that when you tell somebody information and it surprises them, they have a reaction and it's a flinch, and that's the little bit of their bias towards that situation coming to the surface.
What we try to do is make sure that we understand what our implicit biases are, as much as possible, and then understand when they come to the surface, how do we react on those situations?
Because we're judged on how we behave not necessarily what we think and you may not be able to control as much what you think is how you behave on those on those thoughts.
In police work it's very important to be cognizant of those biases because our job is to walk in the middle and take care of everybody.
- In July, Chief Birkenfeld joined other representatives of APD and Potter and Randall counties in meeting with leaders of Amarillo's B lack and Latinx communities.
It was a reactivation of Community Alliance of Leaders and Law Enforcement.
The local group was formed after a white police officer shot and killed Michael Brown Jr., an unarmed black man, in Ferguson, Missouri in August, 2014.
- We live in a community, God bless us, that is - hasn't had that type of interaction that other communities have had.
Thank God we haven't.
But who's to say it cannot happen here.
- Through the alliance, members of law enforcement in Amarillo and Potter and Randall counties come together with representatives of our Black and brown communities.
- The thought was to start developing relationships.
And if I know you, Karen, if I could pick up a phone and say hi this is Alphon-, Oh, I know who you are.
Then the establishment more comfortability.
Listen to what makes me tick, listen to what I've been going through, listen to what my feelings are, listen to what my community feels toward you, the perception, whether it be real or not it's a perception.
Listen to why, I still carry the historic significance of anguish and hurt and frustration and anger.
As in beginning of the turn of the 20th century, when African-Americans were being lynched, in an enormous rate, simply because you were Black.
We've got to get outside of our comfort zone.
We've got to engage, we've got to reach out.
We can't wait for the other person to do it.
We've got to do it ourselves.
- It's a good group.
There - it's tough to listen to somethings that are critical of the police department, but it's very important because we need to hear that criticism.
We need to know where we're being effective or not effective, or where we're being less than trustworthy in the eyes of the public.
And so we wanna be as transparent as possible and show that, hey, we're doing the right thing, and if you think we're not tell us where we can improve.
- The Amarillo Police Department was not among departments from which the Stanford Policing Project has requested traffic stop records, but it puts out an annual racial profiling report based on traffic stops and their outcomes.
APD did not receive a complaint about racial profiling in 2019.
According to the most recent report available.
That year, APD made more than 37,600 traffic stops.
- I won't say that my experiences with officers has been extensive.
And I would just say it's been 50/50.
50% I think should have been better and 50%, you know, very cordial and decent.
When I was, I was about 16 and my grandfather is from new Orleans.
So we would, we go to Mardi Gras like it's kind of like a family reunion.
This one Mardi Gras, there were Caucasian people sitting on police cars.
People were just hanging out.
So I had an uncle that sat on one and for some odd reason, the police didn't like that and they just came over there and start roughing him up right there in front of us and calling him all kind of names.
- Do you believe the incident with your uncle was racially motivated?
- I do, they didn't say anything to any other person there but us, so yeah.
- This year, Black Americans' confidence in police dropped to a new low since Gallup began asking the question in 1993.
Just 19% of black adults polled, expressed confidence in police, compared with 56% of white adults.
That's down from 36% for Black adults and 60% for white adults in 2013, at the start of the Black Lives Matter movement.
- I can definitely say for the city of Amarillo, I know that we have our challenges just like other cities do.
And so I just believe that, especially with Chief Drain and now Chief Birkenfeld, what they have done throughout their tenures or their service for the city is they've tried to be proactive.
And so like in the death of George Floyd what they tried to do is say, what can our police department, what can we teach our police officers not to do?
What can we learn from this incident?
My job as a council member is to oversee and watch what continues to go on.
And as incidents come up, you know, we wanna make sure that Chief Birkenfeld is addressing those incidences and that we as a council are being made aware of them because citizens are gonna come to us first before they come to the chief.
- I think in Amarillo, we don't really have that testimony.
As far as that we see a lot of police brutality and I'm grateful for that.
Do I see, what's the word I'm looking for, when you I may be prejudged often, but as far as harming me I don't see a lot of harm, but it still hurts all the same for me to be looked at just because of the color of my skin and, or because I live on a certain side of town.
I don't belong over there.
And when I get stopped or pulled over by officer those moments hurt.
But as far as seeing a lot of brutality, I don't think we have that here, that problem here in Amarillo.
I would like to see it more diversified and would like to see more people of color or minorities being police officers.
- Of the Amarillo Police Department's 334 sworn officers, only seven are black.
- We really need our department to look a little more like our community.
And I think that when we have people of color, when we have more women in law enforcement it really enriches our organization because of the knowledge that they bring and the different backgrounds that they bring and the different perspectives on law enforcement that they bring.
So that is one of my major goals.
We recently established a recruiting team within just the last month.
And it's a little different concept than what we've done in the past we've always had recruiters but we've not looked at it as a team concept.
The team is very diverse and again it was volunteers, but it's people who came to us, some newer officers especially who said, hey, I wanna help recruit.
And so we're very hopeful.
I've told them their marching orders are to look in every corner of Amarillo, make sure that we're not missing out on opportunities for recruitment.
- I've known probably five, young men right now that want to go into the field of law enforcement.
But because of everything that's going on right now, they're afraid of the backlash.
It's like when I got my car egged by little small kids, little Black kids.
Why?
The same kids that I bought ice cream for, the same kids that I help and talk to them and taking my time, to see how their day is going.
The same kids that egged my car.
Why, why, how did they get the idea?
- Jackson and Potter County Constable Idella Jackson are unrelated colleagues in law enforcement.
As officers of color, they hold unique perspectives.
- You know, unfortunately on my black peers consider most of them, not everybody, look at me as a traitor.
They feel that if you were African-American descent why would you work in a field they considered the enemy?
And law enforcement is not the enemy, we're here to serve and protect.
Overall, officers, are awesome officers, it's just we have those bad apples.
- How does what's happening today make your job harder?
(sighs deeply) - Well, we have to, always be mindful of - that everyone is looking at us in a bad way, no matter what, no matter how many good things we do as a community service officer, or we out there doing stuff at the community.
And we're showing people that, we can work together.
- We have a target on our back.
and a lot of my family's like please be be safe out there because the one incident in California, where the gentleman just came up, ambushed the two officers sitting in their vehicles, he don't know they background, he don't know if they were bad officers, he just saw him in the unit and they was in uniform and he just started firing inside their patrol units.
So it is a dangerous time out here for us all even when we were officers of color or just officers period so.
- You've got to, second guess, you've got to reassure, that what you're doing matters - As protests grew in 2020, so did calls to defund the police.
- My perspective is if a person means that we should cut our police force then we're gonna have to cut services in a big way.
The majority of our funding is salaries, it's paying people to do a job.
So if we cut our budget, we're cutting people and then we're cutting services.
But I think the more important issue is how can we fund additional services like mental health services?
That's probably our biggest in the Amarillo area maybe even in the country is the mental health services and getting people the help they need.
I'm really proud of what Amarillo has done over the last 12 years.
In 2007, we started a Crisis Intervention Team and our Crisis Intervention Team has police officers who are set aside from answering normal calls.
And they focus on mental health calls and their job is to find the right resource for that person who's in crisis.
- Defunding the police, to me, means taking some of the funds that were used to maybe to militarize a police department, instead of using funds to militarize a police department we can use those funds to revitalize some of the communities that the police are policing.
I do not believe that we should do away with policemen because it would be chaos, and that's ridiculous.
- This whole concept of defund the police that just doesn't make sense to me.
I can't, I cannot fathom it.
You know, we want our police to be trained, we want our police to be able to provide essential services in communities.
We want them to be properly funded so that they can invest in the proper training needed, in order to fulfill the requisite duties of their esteemed positions.
You can't expect that if you defund them.
- Next time on The Handle: Living While Black.
- We've seen counter protesters, who have been very aggressive.
- The system wasn't created for Black Americans to thrive in.
- You are only looked at as three-fifths of a human being.
- If we don't get this thing right America is not gonna be the same.
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An examination of data that shows Black people are more likely to be stopped by police. (5m 57s)
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A look at the relationship between the Amarillo Police Department and city residents. (12m 32s)
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